I continue being not well, and otherwise also as before, so I cannot do
much and today only have a translation from Norwegian, namely an article
or post in something called "Synspunkt",
which means "point of view".
It is about LP, here meaning specifically Phil Parker's Lightning
Process, but I use it more comprehensively as abbreviation for Lying
Process, by which I mean all manner of therapies, quackery,
miracle-cures, trainings, courses and what not, that have a very high
bogosity index ['bogosity'
= 'The degree to which something is "bogus" in the hackish sense of
I have written about it several times, e.g. in
Radboud Ziekenhuis Nijmegen -
Natural Home of
the Lying ProcessTM;
Get your whee-whees cuddled...;
Of Bees, of Johnson, of Brain Tapping and more;
Alter study and LP nonsense; and
Let's experiment on children!. In the
last item there are links to ME Agenda's
site, which has a lot of material relating to ME and also a lot of
material on LP. The issue of experimenting on children - doing evidence
based science KCL-style - is not my present subject, but while I am at it
I may mention prof. Robin Gill, who last week argued about just this:
Children should not be used as guinea pigs
and - I must say, fairminded as I usually am - although he is a
theologian, he is quite right.
Now to today's matter, that goes by the title
LIGHTNING PROCESS IS AN IRRESPONSIBLE AND SPECULATIVE "TREATMENT"
FOR PATIENTS WITH ME!
and argues just that and on the basis of having done the Lightning
I like it, and read it in Norwegian first, since I have
lived for some years in Norway, more than half a lifetime away though. As
I am also not well, I have used Google.translate, that is a strange
beasty, that smuggles in "ecosystems" for "limits" and more such things,
and that has the benefit of putting the original in the link.
So if you read Norwegian, you can see whether you agree
with Google + me, and may find that I took a few liberties in the
interest of explicit clarity, and added a few empty lines, but that it is
mostly a direct though free translation. (Put the cursor on the text of
the translation and you get the Norwegian original.)
And you will also see, if you read this with minimal
intelligence, what tricked manipulation and deception this involves. The
link in the title also leads to the original:
LIGHTNING PROCESS IS AN IRRESPONSIBLE AND SPECULATIVE
"TREATMENT" FOR PATIENTS WITH ME!
Ang NAV \ Skien Kommune plans courses in Lightning Process.
I want to warn as strongly as possible against starting this
training if it involves people who have been diagnosed with
I recall that already in 1969 the WHO classified the disease
as a neurological disease.
- About which other neurological disease would it be believed
that one can recover it by means of three days of
Biomedical research in many countries has shown since long
that ME is strongly correlated with infections and with an
abnormal immune response, and this in addition to many other
physiological problems. These problems
can lead to severe disability in those who are affected.
There are families with several ill persons, there have been
epidemies, and there also are many children who get ME.
Some are so severely ill that they are not even able to feed
Fortunately, not every patient gets hit as hard, and some are
capable of doing some things. Meanwhile, what the
researchers and ME-specialists seem to agree on is that all
activity must be paced, based individually on what a specific
patients' personal limits are.
If one goes beyond one's limits, this will lead to a
worsening of the disease, and one may end up on an even
lower level of functioning than before. There
is a golden rule here: "ME patients should always have 30%
energy balance available".
It is clear that all treatments of ME patients must be
adapted to the individual patient after a careful assessment
of this patient's limits..
Lightning Process does not take this into account, but uses
the same scheme for all participants regardless of diagnosis
and of functional level.
There is no requirement for LP-trainers to have some medical
qualifications, and participants do not need any [medical]
diagnosis to participate.
The only requirement a course participant must satisfy, is
that he /she submits to the LP trainers at any time.
That is: do not make objections or ask awkward questions...
For then one "destroys [the chances] for the other
participants who do want to focus on becoming healthy"! And
therefore "the process" does not work...
Lightning Process is what I would call brainwashing [hjernevask]
in good Norwegian!
Phil Parker, who developed the method, and who gets payment
for EACH PARTICIPANT IN LP ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, claims a
recovery rate of 85-90 percent.
The way he / LP trainers arrive at this number is as follows:
On the third
day of the training all must answer several questions, one of
which is: "Do you have ME?" When one has for three days been
told time and again: You do not HAVE ME, you DO ME!
And the message is: If you answer YES to this question, the
method will not work ... What do you answer then?
Of course: No, I do not have ME!
AND HEY PRESTO: YOU HAVE A recovery PERCENT OF 90!
And then this number is used time and again by LP trainers
because thus it quickly becomes a truth, wouldn't you agree?
You also get strict instructions to remove, yes, get rid of,
all thoughts, things and persons that remind you of the
disease or 'that help to maintain the belief one is ill' -
And you have to ignore ALL the symptoms and
act as if they are do not exist.
"Otherwise the process won't work!" And if the method does
not work... Therefore,
it is you who think the wrong thougths and which keeps you
It is rude, crude, and evidence of great ignorance about this
disease if one accuses people of being responsible for their
own illness because they think improperly! This gives them an
extra burden to carry
in addition to all the misery this illness brings with it!
We were three Norwegian participants in the LP-course in
England some years ago, all with ME diagnosis.
We got in after careful screening, for this is part of the LP
concept: Only those who are 100% motivated may participate.
"Otherwise, the process does not work .."
We did the LP-training with great seriousness and of course
with the hope of getting healthy.
We did as we were taught in the course: We proclaimed to the
world that we were healthy!
Of course, "otherwise the process does not work .." And we
practiced at all times as we had been told.
- For the symptoms were there as before ..
Two of us gave up after approx.
The rraining had ZERO effect, we were just as sick as before.
One of us came THREE TIMES CLOSE TO DEATH DUE TO SERIOUS
There are many ME patients whose disease has gotten much
worse after LP.
The deterioration may arrive after a short or a longer time,
I have even heard of people who had a total system collapse
after 1-2 years ...
LP trainers say nothing about this in their marketing ... Why
It makes me feel very sad for ME patients to see that the NAV
\ Skien community has allowed itself to be seduced by the
miraculous tales of LP ...
I am putting forward an important question to those
responsible: Do they really know what they are about to
Do they know that many ME patients have become even more ill
after having participated in and followed up acting according
to the methods taught in LP-training?
Who bears the responsibility for ME patients who are
supposed to become participants in the NAV \ Skien Kommune LP
training if it makes them sicker? In any case
not the LP-trainers, for they have secured themselves by
calling it training instead of treatment, while participants
must sign that they have the full responsibility themselves.
And they must also sign that the contents of the course will
not be disclosed to anyone ... "For otherwise the process
will not work .."
It is not easy to be a patient with ME who has become more
ill from this course ..
After having told the people you know and your employer that
you are healthy!
I want to point out to those responsible in the NAV and Skien
community that research in the United States (WPI, published
in Science in oct. 2009 and FDA \ NHI researchers from U.S.
health authorities, in August 2010)) shows that nearly 90% of
patients are carriers of retroviruses, compared with 4-7% in
a healthy control group. This
shows that the likelihood that this virus is related to ME
disease is great.
XMRV has previously been found in a type of prostate cancer.
XMRV \ MLV originates from mice.
XMRV \ MLV is the third retrovirus that is found in humans.
The other two are HIV, which provides AIDS, and HTLV, which
provides a type of blood cancer.
It is perhaps naive to believe that this third retrovirus
does not do any harm to human health, when we know what
damage the first two do ..
think that LP can cure HIV \ AIDS or cancer?
Lillestrøm Health Clinic is currently, as far as I know, the
only Norwegian clinic that also offers assessment and
treatment on the basis of biomedical principles.
They have reported that preliminary tests show that 14 of 24
tested CFS patients in their clinic, tested positive for XMRV
Many Norwegian ME patients are waiting to get answers as to
whether they carry the retrovirus or not ..
XMRV \ MLV also been found associated with MS, autism and
Lightning Process is most apt for healthy people who want to
manage their lives in certain directions, and not apt for ill
people who need medical treatment!
And it can be dangerous if you have ME!
I sincerely hope that the NAV \ Skien community use their
mind and cancel this project!
I think this is rational, honest and brave, which
is why it is here.
P.S. I could and would write some notes to the
above, if not for lacking the health for it, but I can give you an excellent tip
for background materials about LP and ME:
ME Agenda. There
is very much to find there of interest for anyone interested in ME and the
things happening around it, the last especially in the UK.
Again, it should also be clear that LP combines
techniques of pseudo-scientific psychiatry,
sauced with doubletalk, doublebinds, Catch22's - you must say you are cured also
if you feel miserable: you must lie about your
condition on the presumption you will not get healthy if you speak the truth
about it, and if you say you feel ill when you feel ill you are ill only because
you believe so - and a peculiar Parkerite totalitarian outlook that
reminds this reader much of scientology and - indeed - techniques of
And most mistakes in the above - of non-factual kind: it is not my
story - must be mine or Google's.
P.P.S. It may be I have to stop Nederlog for a while. The reason
is that I am physically not well at all. I don't know yet, but if
there is no Nederlog, now you know the reason.