I was too
wasted yesterday to write a Nederlog or indeed much else (though I
wrote a little on probability, but not for the site so far).
Happily, the weather is much less warm here in Amsterdam so while I
am still wasted I don't feel awfully crapulous anymore.
That however - not feeling awfully crapulous - may be classed under
the minor miracles if you have access to the same ME-forums as I do,
which meanwhile all the world seems to have and share and grok, and
use for their own personal ends, aberrations, propaganda and
obsessions, in the name of our community, of course, for
"We are all on the same side."
Except for me or Eric Johnson from I&I as that neurasthenic
nietzschean neo-nazi calls himself on PR-I, though I must admit, in
all truth, that just as he didn't know what "neurasthenic"
means, until a few days ago, though he has been on PR since 2009,
I actually don't know the meaning of any of the terms I use,
never having googled e.g. "nazi" in my life.
Also, I invariably mean things at least as well as Eric or
Patricia, or anybody else, since we are all equivalent
anyway, except Uebermenschen like Eric, who are a bit more
equivalent, especially having honked their ring to Bill Reeves or
such, of course for the noblest of human reasons.
1. Let's scare the hell out of the nitwits
2. We are all neurasthenic nietzschean neo-nazis like Eric
1. Let's scare the hell out of the nitwits
It would seem to me - but I am extra-ordinarily dimwitted, compared
to legal eagle types Patricia, I think I may safely infer, some
think - that persons with ME at present are a lot better of, in
principle, than they were before October 2009.
The reasons reside in a few facts that I have written much more
about on this, so I only list them
- there is a newly discovered retrovirus in human beings, that may be
dangerous for quite a few reasons, and has been linked
probabilistically with prostate cancer, ME/CFS, and quite a few other
- this was expounded in an article by scientists working at the
Whittmore Peterson Institute in the prestigious journal Science in
This is good news for people with ME, and bad news for people
collecting blood for blood transfusions, because for the former it
gives both a chance for some real scientific light on a possible
cause of ME while for the latter it means that if the relation
between XMRV and various dangerous diseases stands, there is serious
danger many might eventually get some dangerous disease after having
had some blood transfusion e.g. for a minor operation or accident.
Meanwhile, what the real facts are is not established, and indeed
- several papers have been published by groups of socalled
"scientific researchers" connected with the psychiatrists and
bureaucrats who for decades have tried to make all bio-medical research
impossible and deny funding for it, on the ground that some
psychiatrists claim to have scientifically established that ME is
mental, a dysfunctional belief system, all in the head, or else
involves decades of parasitic malingering on such riches as the dole
- all these papers were by Wessely and Reeves themselves - the very
same folks without the least biochemical or retrovirological knowledge
as tried to make out for decades anybody with ME is a mad wimp anyway -
and/or by their acolytes; full of methodological holes; and published
in far less or totally unprestigious journals
This is - in brief - what anyone with some knowledge of ME would
expect, and take this as fairly to very ludicrous attempt to stem
the tide of real science.
Not so: Spurred on by a few recent arrivals on ME-forums, a
veritable hysterical mood was soon created on ME-forums, that were
flamed even higher with the new that
- a very prominent medical professor and researcher, dr. Alter, has
together with others, and working for the NIH and/or FDA, that is
important US governmental health-institutions, established that (i) the
Science study is quite correct and so (ii) the CDC, Reeves, Wessely and
other "studies" are incorrect - but
- before Alters paper, that was already accepted for publication, it
is claimed, got published, it was put on hold, it seems by some
internal US governmental politicking
- and dr. Alter's paper is still on hold, but has been promised to
Now if it appears essentially unaltered, that is, with the findings
in it that were earlier reported and are summarized above, the
position of persons with ME improves a lot, even if in fact XMRV
does not cause ME (which nobody knows for sure, just as nobody knows
for sure it does not), for this will very probably trigger a great
amount of research and indeed the required funding, to do real
bio-medical research on matters at least related to ME, that may
uncover a lot that sofar lies hidden in the dark.
That's why I am fairly optimistic - after 32 years of living with ME
or at least the syndrome the Canada Criterions detail - but then I
must assume a lawyer like Patricia knows and understand these things
far better than I do.
For one thing, she understands the major importance of Toos
Lansbergen, who'd love to see me gassed, for ME-lists that she or
Cort lead as Fuehrerin and Fuehrer, respectively, so much that I got
a hardly polite answer on my request to stop Lansbergen's sadism.
For another thing, Patricia wants to see Action, Dramatic Action,
Radical Action, of course if possible before Dr. Alter's paper gets
published, and certainly after it, and the more radical the better:
If we don't do something that gets the public's attention,
we'll be in for another 20 years of illness with no help from
our governments. If it takes scaring the public to get research
money, then I'm in favor of scaring the public.
I do think (..) if we want to get anyone's attention, we
need drama. Nicey-nice slogans are going to get us more of the
same, and I, for one, am sick to death of this.
Here one must realize that Patricia is a mother and grandmother,
with an excellent income or years, and a pretty face for a woman of
her age, if her photo is hers and not doctored, but then I'll
probably get mails by a very irate Patricia in case I publish her
former likeness here, though I may do so eventually.
But it is true that Patricia has a point, for CFS=XMRV does
TERRRIBLE things to you, not only to one's permanently brainfogged,
hypoperfused and anyway legalese mind, if one is a former lawyer
with children and grandchildren and a live=living death...
...o here is a Dutch contribution, in its full rational glory
I had a dream about this thread last night, I can't get my slogan
out of my head, so here it is:
Death is one way to lose life
XMRV is another
Best to All
...which surely is a metaphysical discovery of major importance
(another way to lose life than by death!), for which one needs a
Dutch mind to arrive at...
...but then indeed Patricia has a serious and true
point, for while I cannot yet show her true mature beauty (that
reminds me of Theo van Gogh's
fondest dreams, but that is for another day, unless you read Dutch)
for reasons of privacy, I can show you one of the scary things
Patricia wants to warn all of mankind about:
So you can clearly see - I hope! - why some women like
my dear Patricia want Action Now:
In and around blood banks; by giving infected blood to blood banks
and then writing angry legalese letters that
the blood banks' folks infect Our Home Of The Brave; by
organizing demonstrations (of ill people in slippers, carrying
socks, with blood on their faces while rythmically hitting their own
bedpans and chanting "li-ving death; li-ving death")... in brief, by
This namely, the dear Patricia, former top legalese eagle, I
understood, truly believes will change the plight of the
ME-patient for the best.
I have tried to discuss with the dear lady,
whose hitherto silently lived living death was so scary, but then
someone like her doesn't really discuss with the likes of me, and
indeed doesn't like to see me on such lists she leads, for
I clearly lack The Lansbergen Factor.
Meanwhile others feel like Patricia - the Fuehrerin of ME-F - as
well, with such equally rational and reasonable insights and
If only people WOULD panic! (sigh)
I think the only time the public panics is when they see the tsunami
coming toward them.
XMRV is a plague and people should be aware of it.
although a rare few say "No" too - but then they are neither
Fuehrers nor Fuehrerinnen of Folks With Real ME, like Patricia is,
seen above in her (I honestly do admit) truly horrible plight since
having "CFS=XMRV=living death"-
incidentally as legalesely correct as any pair of very sophisticated
mathematical equations could get!.
Even so, I counsel some care, with throwing off the mask that hides
the horrors from "CFS=XMRV=living death",
because personally I incline to thinking that scaremongering is
precisely what Bill Reeves and Simon Wessely would like to see done
on the part of people with ME ("See that they really are
nutcases?! What is the use of funding research in such
nut cases?! In these economically difficult times?!"),
but then personally I have seen a very great
lot of activism, all of which only helped the authorities, the
establishment or else indeed the Fuehrers and Fuehrerinnen of
Radical Activists who themselves want to become authorities
and establishment. (And so they did!)
But then I am an old cynic, of course.
Which leads me to my second and last topic of today:
2. We are all neurasthenic nietzschean
neo-nazis like Eric Johnson from I&I
I didn't realize "neurasthenia" was in use, at
all, by anyone in the last several decades. I was sure I'd read
that it had totally died out (as a diagnosis) not many decades
after Beard got it going. I guess not.
Eric Johnson from I&I
member PR since Dec 2009
Friedrich & "Eric" admiring one another lovingly as true supermen
Here are some selections of Erich Johnson from I&I from the
last days, who honked his ring to Bill Reeves long ago, it seems, for he
has just the same opinions, and sounds the same too, for he writes like a
phishing trolling sadist working for CDC, who knows VERY well what he is
about, with my boldings and links and brief comments in small print
added, to help you get the right superhuman appreciation:
CCC-defined CFS equals neurasthenia, and I think some non-CCC CFS
cases are also the same disease. But I can't prove either, of course. I
am not 100% confident about neurasthenia, rather much less than 100%.
A probabilistic genius, this researcher from I&I
I read/skimmed some of the old books on
neurasthenia by Beard(?) or whoever it was that originated that
diagnosis in the late 19th century. They are on google books. I
couldn't find reference to post-exertional exacerbation in the
neurasthenia literature, despite finding extensive descriptions of
symptoms. If someone can find this smoking gun then I would be
much more confident that neurasthenia is CFS.
So honest! So realistic! So precisely like Reeves & Wessely since
Also, while I'm agnostic and basically a Nietzschean (which
makes it pretty hard to be a christian), I suspect that the partial
eclipse of the christian faith and world order may have been the
largest cause of fascism and bolshevism. They each (separately)
furnished a trans-personal and trans-mortal meaning of existence, to
replace the eclipsed christian one.
Eric = big heaps trans-personal and trans-mortal philosopher!
I don't know what drives me to mention my not-so-requested opinions
on things so much when sleep-deprived, or for that matter all the
time. Let it be said in my defense that the underlying cause is a
multi-focal softening of the brain, so to speak. Maybe when the Alter
paper finally comes out, it will improve my manners. This has been a
bit of a nervous time.
I think psychos spell it with S and M Eric, my superhuman
I can't resist one more random thing. I think XMRV is an
interesting potential cause of the illness of Nietzsche - not
necessarily of his psychotic paralysis, but the symptoms he had before
that. Odds are probably against it, even if XMRV did exist at the
time, but it's possible.
Which is all the rational Nietzschean neurasthenic minds needs.
Scholars have debated diagnoses including syphilis, fronto-temporal
dementia, and I think brain cancer. I sometimes suspect that his
anxious mania, whatever the cause, put a little extra twist of
extremism into him, which may have had an unfortunate effect on the
Such depth of explanatory vision!
I take it you don't like me connecting XMRV with 'neuroses' like
anxiety, mania, or depression. Nietzsche had other lifelong
symptoms though, such as frequent migraines, which I did not mention
because I doubt they were as relevant to what he wrote. Anyway, it's
been so long since I stopped thinking of 'neuroses' as likely to
often be psychogenic, that I am just not accustomed to thinking that
way anymore. The thought that you might react that way didn't occur
For one who didn't know neurasthenia is in use, most amazing, but
then this is precisely the new CDC/KCL position: Every "disease" has
a "physical component". And the thought that anyone with ME might be
upset in any way by anything a Nietzschean neurasthenic neo-nazi
writes just doesn't occur to me either.
I realize though that we have a public relations or 'communications'
problem there, and that one would not do well at all to emphasize
'neurotic' phenomena. That would be naive. On the other hand, my
view is that it is not expedient (or true) to deny the elevated
prevalences of neurotic phenomena in ME/CFS.
Precisely: We are all lying, Eric want is to be quotable from an
ME-patientslist. Inexpedient as that for a neurasthenic like Eric
You understand of course, I am speaking of neuroses solely as
uninterpreted raw phenomena, with no etiology implied. Perhaps the
term neuroses is too encrusted with the follies of the generations
of man, and someone can suggest a different word.
OF COURSE! So honest! So clearminded! So much the place also, to
find a new acceptable term!
Many people can sense neurotic phenomena keenly, they can see
perfectly clearly that these are commoner in CFSers, and I imagine
that you won't dissuade them even if you want to do so. So, I don't
*raise* the topic, but if it ever comes up, which it does, I do not
I can sense psychotic phenomena clearly, through the noble
neurasthenic Nietzschean's prose, unless of course he is as sane as
Bill Reeves. But just if the topic comes up: I won't deny Eric is a
There was one paper I actually sort of admired (grudgingly) about
stress contributing to MS. It entirely avoided retrospective
subjective ascertainment of stress. It simply examined whether there
was any correlation between one of a person's children having died (a
100% objective, ascertainable event) and the risk of that person later
getting MS (multiple sclerosis). There was a two-fold (or so)
elevation of risk. Still, there could be possible confounds.
100% objective proof both ME and MS are twice as likely to suffer
from stress related disease, apart from possible confounds, of
course, research-scientifically speaking.
Even so, it's good to keep such a finding on file. Suppose a
qualitatively and quantitatively similar result were to come out on
CFS. One could then very rightly say "The new result in CFS is the
same as an old finding in MS, so the new result seems to suggest that
CFS and MS are 'biopsychosocial' to about the same degree."
Just as Bill and Simon have been telling these neurasthenics with
"fatigue" for decades! And here we have the honest
neurasthenic neo-nazi, also with ME, who agrees! How nice for Bill
Adam, hmm, when I say that we as a group have elevated levels of
anxiety, depression, etc that are evident to people, I guess I must
admit am relying partly on my own impressions. I still have moderate
OCD (gotta make sure that emergency brake is on - gotta make
CERTAIN), and I once had slamming degrees of depression and anxiety.
So Adam, don't you dare think a research scientist like Eric the
Nietzschean doesn't know both science and experience better than
So I know all the hallmarks, such as guilty rumination about
long-past minor misdeeds, in depression. But I have no doubt really
that those things contribute to how we get viewed by so many
doctors, healthy people, and so on.
So again Adam, don't you dare to even suggest that a
thoroughly honest superintelligent research scientist like Eric the
Nietzschean, superhumanly gifted also, could not know how "we" -
that is: you, and me, and Patricia, and he, and everyone with real
ME, like Eric the neurasthenic Nietzschean neo-nazi - experience
reality like the wimps we really are, if not yet Nietzschean, that
Today psychologists tend to express themselves in arcane ways - but
time was, guys like the 'discoverer' of neurasthenia, Beard, would
say frankly "they're nuts, they wear themselves out with their
endless anxiety, they're so pessimistic, they're out on guilt trips
about the oddest little things, so naturally they ruin their
"Frankly" Adan, you are "nuts", and that is why you are depressed
and without physical vigor, you wimp. If you had been smart and
enterprising enough to be a Nietzscheam Nazi like Eric, you could
have seen this yourself, mate!
(Though if I recall, Beard was actually somewhat authentically
sympathetic toward his patients, thinking that they did suffer
terribly after all, and could not easily avoid the fate that they
Just like Simon and Bill and Peter and Michael: They have so much
sympathy with the horrible suffering your confused non-Nietzschean
sub-human mentality has made you sych a lazybones! But they don't
doubt your terrible suffering, my stupid non-Nietzschean friends:
you just are too wimpy to accept your own responsibility, Eric the
And I am pretty sure that those elevated prevalences of depression
and anxiety do exist among CFSers. Around 40 or 50% for depression.
Plusminus a d-interval of uncertainty, of course. Otherwise, Eric
has established that 8,5 million neurasthenics are also depressed,
apart from that interval of uncertainty, research-scientifically
I took only a 10 minute look at google and at my Byron Hyde ME/CFS
book last night,
Proof positive, among research-scientists!
but the different reports seem to be fairly well in agreement on
that. Not perfectly, of course. I would have to read a lot to be
more certain. Our good friend De Meirleir found around a 50% rate of
what they call generalized anxiety disorder ('generalized' as
opposed to other anxiety syndromes like OCD),
research-scientifically established honestly.
Eric's and ours= good friend De Meirleir agrees with his good friend
Eric, of course: Half of the 17 million neurasthenics are bleeding
anxious wimps and obsessively compulsive denying their not, so our
though some others before him did not find that. Hyde is another
passionate advocate for us,
"us" as in for "Eric the neo-nazi Nietzschean, and me, and Adam, and
Dr. Yes" and 17 million fellow neurasthenics of Eric, with OCD and
so he wouldn't have this stuff about depression and anxiety in his
book if he thought it was invalid (though it is by another
contributor, not from his own pen).
And that is logic, Nietzschean-Ericean neurasthenic style.
Then there is Eric's sidekick from
cuckooland Awol: (student of philosophy of architecture, most
fit to judge, after a few years of what she says is ME):
just like ME, neurasthenia was not originally psychological really.
See, students of architecture knows this like they know
It became that way rather quickly for reasons already discussed
above on this thread. The argument that the story of neurasthenia has
been repeated with CFS is strong. An illness is there, researchers are
too lazy to try to understand complicated things, so they decide it is
the patient's fault.
So once more, people: At the CDC
and KCL and in Nijmegen people never ever lie: They are just a bit
incompetent. Don't you ever forget it: Bill Reeves never lied! He
just is and always was lazy! An architect-student knows these
There are important parallels between the two stories that it is
important, from an activism standpoint, to recognize and discuss. As I
said in my earlier post, the pattern of behaviour, on the part of
doctors and researchers was established with neurasthenia, and then
continued with CFS. This has nothing to do with declaring CFS to be
You see? Clear as daylight.
Here is more Eric the neurasthenic Nietzschean neo-Nazi, this time
on who else of his heroic Uebermenschen might have been afflicted
like our nn the NN (for "Eric Johnson" probably has quite another
name when contributing to Bill Reeves ecstasies):
The Great Khan showed a certain aggressiveness. But I think his
drives were those of rude and ruddy heartiness, not pathology.
Considering his 100,000-odd grandsons and 300 million living
patrilineal descendants, he was the picture of health and then some on
a Darwinian view. He may be almost the healthiest (fittest) organism of
all time, amorally speaking. What about Thomas Jefferson, though? I
understand that because he once answered the door in his pajamas,
present-day scholars have convicted him of Aspergerism. Might this
reflect congenital infection with the same yet-unidentified agent
currently causing Colony Collapse Disorder amongst our nation's
honeybees? Only careful experimental work can answer that question.
Thomas Jefferson too had XMRV, Eric means, who but for a slight
inconvenience himself would be the "(fittest) organism of all time",
research-scientifically speaking, of course, or at least he slept
with what a Nietzschean neo-nazi wouldn't get defiled by, o no
Anyway... sleuthing the illness of Nietzsche is a forensic
historical matter, one should be clear about that. There will almost
certainly never be any certainty.
As professor Simon so often stresses, so don't blame him or Eric
if they are honestly mistaken!
It may be Wissenschaft, but it is kind of borderline to call
it "natural science." Still, it is a drastically important question in
world history. I can hardly help wondering.
By the way, Abe Lincoln was gay. Wife said he was emotionally
This Eric the great amoral neo-nazified Nietzschean said because
he believes his
respondent was like Abe. Eric is such a lovely guy! Honked his ring
personally to Bill Reeves, some say, even though the research on
this is, as yet, uncertain.
I only read 100 pp of Mr Proust's book but on page 80 or so he
describes rather condescendingly his quite sick and rather
bedroom-bound aunt. The fact that he quasi blew off her suffering is
itself mild evidence in favor of a diagnosis of CFS, since no other
disease has been equally sneered at. I think he said that she took
care not to over-exert herself but I am not certain. Some sources
suggest that Proust himself had 'neurasthenia.'
Another poofter, Eric the neurasthenic neo-nazi means to convey.
See: Men with ME, if they are not called Eric, and therefore beyond
suspicion or aspersion, are mostly gay, Eric wants so suggest. Also,
Proust was a bit SM, like Eric, so Eric honestly conveys, besides
being gay. Ah yes: and a neurasthenic.
Don't you think I was much more manic yesterday though? But I have
been much worse than that on occasion.
So you evil evils should blame our lovey dovey Ericky boyee! He
means so well!
I write a lot largely in order to help hard-wire stuff into my
memory, and then exercise it.
Precisely - and all those neurasthenics who think they have ME
and don't want to hear they are neurasthenics get Eric's mental
aberrations for free, as his fellow neurasthenics on an ME-forum.
Otherwise, everything I know will collapse, as a lot already has.
How many times did I absorb the rebellious little book "T cells in
arthritis"? I remember almost nothing. Many happy times have also made
their way out of my mind, into the great unconscious din where they
are not known.
Right: Better forget Eric ever wrote anything on an ME-forum, so
you won't recognize it either if Bill Reeves or Simon Wessely quotes
it at you, as speaking for a typical patient, albeit it superhuman
So, if you want to employ a sick sadist, a typical Untermensch who
believes himself to be an Uebermensch, and who just LOVES fucking ill
people over, it is Eric Johnson from I&I you got to search for, that
is, if you can't get Reeves, Jones, Wessely or White: Same human type;
same procedures; same lies; same sadistic impertinence, for one can't
find him anyway to kick his goolies in his throat.
That is not what I recommend anyway, but I do like to know
who he really is, and here our dear Fuehrerin Patricia
may be of help, for while I have not the least idea who this sick
sickening sadistic neurasthenic nietzschean neo-nazi-like Uebermensch
might be (Jonesy perhaps, from CDC?), Patricia KNOWS or at least,
Patricia assured Ms. Suzy Chapman confidently, squarely and
Perhaps you do not know who our members are, Suzy, but we
Mrs. Patricia please, please, please, please missis!
I do not know who you are; I do not know who you're
co-leader is; I do not know where either of you can be found; I
do not know whether either of you is really ill; I do not
know whether you look like the photo you put up as yours; and I do
not know very, very, very much more that I would like to know for
people associating with me, engaged in, as you please to consider it,
"a war", which you are engaged in to free yourself from "living
It so happens that Ms. Chapman is easily to be found by any legal
eagle, and so am I, for which reason I am - I must say - glad
not to personally figure anymore on any ME-forum, these having such
amazing Fuehrerinnen, Fuehrers and especially such amazingly
intelligent, sane and honest prominent members like "our community
member" Eric the neurasthenic nietzschean
I just one to make an everlasting contribution to "Eric
Johnson from I&I" his career! In his own and others' very
best interest, o Patricia!
So please Patricia, please: Since
you full well know where Eric lives, what he earns, how ill he really
is, what else he knows about Nietzsche, what his real name is, and
also, undoubtedly, whomever he does not
reckon to be subhuman, mail me who he really is, so that I may praise
on my site, where he may even answer once I know who he
Please?! You did speak the truth, didn't
P.S. Tomorrow there may be more on the subject of sadistic pseudos,
politicos or bureaucrats, that may astonish many who do not know the
Amsterdam ways as they really are, but I make no promises in view of
being quite PEM'ed.
Today has been wasted on this neo-nazi-like freak, but then it is
true that I am very glad that I am no "one of us" in any club Eric the
neurasthenic Nietzschean is a member of.
Life's happiness is in savouring its small pleasures!
P.P.S. It may be I have to stop
Nederlog for a while. The reason is that I am physically not well at
all. I don't know yet, but if there is no Nederlog,
now you know the reason.