ME + me: The Phoenix Forums: Briefly and
courteously, with due respect
| Human beings are rationalizing animals, ideological apes - or so they would be,
if they had not, by the good grace of our dear Lord, a rational soul. It is
by means of this rational soul that men find what small measure of happiness
is allotted to them, since it enables them to move their attention from
solving real problems to indulging in the sweetest of dreams and delusions,
thereby greatly contributing to their felicity if not their well-being.
-- A disrespectful
philosopher with an
full to the brim
dysfunctional unrespectable beliefs
As I wrote yesterday,
I am OFF the Phoenix Forums and since
I came to explain why to day in well-trained, nicely modulated, properly
educated, much practised, very well-known brief and courteous terms with
all due respect to all (*) I may as well repeat them
here with a few brief and courteous additions
I suppose the brief courteous explanation is that
(i) it is better this way (ii) it happened because I asked for it on May
23 and indeed insisted my name and posts be removed because (iii) I
disagree with the (modes and manners of the) moderation and
administration of PR.
These are facts and the value-judgment (i) is based on my only having one
life in bad health and no taste for the level of 'discussion' and
intelligence and morality I have experienced, mostly in PM, mostly by
some moderators, that seemed repeatedly aimed at such a result as now has
been achieved, also without honestly saying so.
The reason to withdraw my name and posts are that I was afraid the
moderators might edit my posts (they did, without my knowledge, against
my consent) and that I don't want my name associated with a site where I
have to fear that and other things I am defenseless against, since those
doing it are anonymous and I am not allowed to protest in truthful terms.
My site explains me, ME, ME in Amsterdam
and a lot besides; my posts
are now on my site (but are still in need of some better editing, albeit
quite readable and linked in a nice series); and
Nederlog of May 3, Nederlog of May 4,
Nederlog of May 5, and
Nederlog of May 25 indicate some of my
reasons, though not all.
And as The Owner Of The Forum Himself wrote two days ago;
Like any community we have to have rules to provide a livable
environment for those willing to abide by them. This type of
Forum may not be for everybody.
And as as The Owner Of The Forum's New Rules has it now:
We reserve the right to edit posts, remove offensive posts
without notice. Also while these rules cover most common
situations, they cannot anticipate everything. Consequently we
reserve the right to take any actions we deem appropriate to ensure these
forums are not disrupted or abused in any way.
Critiques of individuals or organizations should be done in the
spirit of constructive discourse; simply dumping on a person or
organization is not conducive to the kind of conversation we
I could say much about it, in various tones, styles and
vocabularies also, and may do so, but for the moment only observe that
the last quotation of The Owner Of The Forum's New Rules...
... makes me look forward very fondly, and with the
utmost respectful joy and anticipation, to the days that The Phoenix
Rising's Forums - at long last! RSN! - shall respectfully give an
equal number of equally respectful bits to the
evenhanded polite and respectful praise of
professor Wessely, The Lightning Process, the
NICE Guidelines, and the various forms of CBT and
GET that the CFIDSAA approves of, tacitly or with professor White's
outspoken very respectful support, and that while members of the
Phoenix Forums are referring respectfully to them, and in such respectful
bits of respecful - non-personal, non-sarcastic, non-ironical,
non-adversive - polite and well-spoken kind 'critiqueing' that the
moderators may allow, if balanced by equal
amounts of constructive personal respectful suppport, namely +for
all those most respectable most well-intending psychological scientists,
healing osteopaths, Nijmegian psychotherapists
and London's most respectable and
well-intentioned most moral and noble psychiatrists, that the rest of
our proud human most excellent and respectful race has ever had the good
luck to live in the same epoch with, and that I have personally also have
come to respect almost
as much as mrs. Criona Wilson does, properly speaking, and with great
respect, ever since reading
that most disrespectful professor Hooper, who had the offensive
impertinence and brutality to effectively predict such events - which
clearly must show how demented and dysfunctional
my hardly respectable mind must be. (**)
As the links in the previous paragraph show, and as the
moderators have pointed out to me (and others) in
unmistakably respectful dulcet tones and most respectful terms, I am
no longer in place on the Phoenix Forums, if I ever was.
Live and learn!
P.S. More on the reasons for why not:
And some relevant background knowledge
(though awfully and inappropriately respectless)
are we, then, at present?"
"We find that at present the human race is divided politically into one
wise man, nine knaves and ninety fools out of every hundred. That is, by an
optimistic observer. The nine knaves assemble themselves under the banner of
the most knavish among them, and become 'politicians': the wise man stands
out, because he knows himself to be hopelessly outnumbered, and devotes
himself to poetry, mathematics or philosophy; while the ninety fools plod off
behind the banners of the nine villains, according to fancy, into the
labyrinths of chicanery, malice and warfare. It is pleasant to have command,
observed Sancho Panza, even over a flock of sheep, and that is why
politicians raise their banners. It is, moreover, the same thing for the
sheep, whatever the banner. If it is democracy, then the nine knaves will
become members of parliament; if fascism will become party leaders; if
communism, commissars. Nothing will be different, except the name. The fools
will still be fools, the knaves still leaders, the result still exploitation.
As for the wise man, his lot will be much the same under any ideology. Under
democracy he will be encouraged to starve to death in a garret, under fascism
he will be put in a concentration camp, under communism he will be
liquidated. This is an optimistic but on the whole scientific statement
White: "The Book of Merlyn",
P.P.S. By the way...
...should others do and think like me? Whatever they think,
they have fewer possibilities than I have, and as I indicated
before, for the purpose of finding information about ME and sharing ideas
and experiences with likeminded folks - provided one keeps Our Benevolent
Moderators happy, of course - the Phoenix Forums are still quite
good (and may get even - A LOT! - better if God in His Goodness
grants my wishes about some moderators I respectfully do not name).
Also, I have - except for one most respectful
member of the forums, outstanding like a sore prick - no problem
whatsoever with any member of the Phoenix Forums and indeed respect the
vast majority, not without reason and brutally verbally imposed, but
hionestly and personally acquired because of their courage and
persistence in the face of much adversity and discrimination, and often
years of pain and poverty.
But speaking for me
personally, there is no room for me
to be who I am where I must be lying, bowing and scraping to be
respectful to what is most disrespectable for me, while I have a large
site to come up for myself, and where people who want to can find me or
And to counter one possible respectful reply: While I am satirical and
sarcastic - not allowed anymore - of some who I respectfully think
deserve it, I am neither satirical nor sarcastic about the vast majority
of the Phoenix Forums, whose position I respectfully do not envy, what
with moderators one cannot but must verbally respect, to be deemed A
Respectable Member Of The Renewed Respectable Phoenix Forums.
(Really guys and gals: I am an adult, with certain human rights, that
I shall want to exercise when and where I see fit, as long as they last!
And while moderation is fine, in principle, anonymous censorship cued by
anonymous complaints just is ethically despicable, also in principle,
and in much more fundamental and better founded
principle at that! (***))
As to ME/CFS (that I prefer to call ME):
1. Ten reasons why ME/CFS is a real disease by a professor
of medicine of Harvard.
2. Long essay by a professor emeritus of medical chemistry about
maltreatment of ME.
3. Explanation of what's happening around ME by an investigative
4. Report to Canadian Government on ME, by many medical experts.
5. Advice to psychiatrist by a psychiatrist who understands ME is an
6. English mathematical genius on one's responsibilities in the matter
of one's beliefs:
is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon
7. A space- and computer-scientist takes a look at psychology.
8. Malcolm Hooper puts things together status 2010.
me! alas, pain, pain ever, forever!
No change, no pause, no hope! Yet I endure.
I ask the Earth, have not the mountains felt?
I ask yon Heaven, the all-beholding Sun,
Has it not seen? The Sea, in storm or calm,
Heaven's ever-changing Shadow, spread below,
Have its deaf waves not heard my agony?
Ah me! alas, pain, pain ever, forever!"
- (Shelley, "Prometheus Unbound")
"It was from this time that I developed my way of judging the
Chinese by dividing them into two kinds: one humane and one not. "
ME -Documentation and
ME - Resources
Supplements on ME
ME - Resources
needs is a Work In Progress that hasn't progressed today.
(*) I have the most unfortunate disrespectful
dysfunctional belief - as per the now instituted Most Respectful New
Speak on the Phoenix Forums - that some persons are better than others
(for some ends and purposes, by some norms) and
30 years of exposure to it could not cure me from my bad habits of
dysfunctional beliefs that way, caused by a most unfortunate combination
of genetic disposition to disrespectful thinking for myself and an
education that inculcated more of the same, most disrespectfully also of
the great majority of the surrounding society of
I even tend to believe - honesty forces me to say,
disrespectful as this must be to uncounted billions - that dr. Martin
Luther King Jr. may have been a better man, and a more intelligent men,
and a more learned man, and a more moral man, and a braver man, yes - if
I may be so bold - a better man also than some members of the
Phoenix Forums I could name! Perish the thought, on The Renewed
Phoenix Forums, where only Respect For All Equally is appropriate,
in these fine halcyon days of newly born universal respect of all for
(**) One reason to write long sentences is that I
do not like to be read by stupid folks. Another is that the sentence is
the human unit of conscious thought, and my thoughts do not well fit into
the advertiser's and journalist's favourite length (4 to 8 and at most 12
words per sentence).
(***) Articles 18 and 19.
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