The MEdical Sadism connection
Here is a brief outline of a scientific medical hypothesis I have
arrived at after 32 years of study, that I intend to follow up in more
detail on my website
As some may have noticed, I am new to this forum and also I am Dutch,
with excellent degrees in philosophy and psychology, and (the symptoms
of) ME for more than 32 years now. I am still reading through the
forum, but am pleased to find so many smart people with a similar
outlook, and - alas - similar horrible experiences and discrimination,
sometimes since decades.
Since I am ill for so long, and since I am psychologist and
philosopher, here is a translation of the last part of a piece I wrote
today for my site in Dutch, that reflects my own position, which is
that I intend to treat and describe quite a number of psychiatrists and
psychologists who have ruined my life and chances publicly as medical
sadists, a category of medical malfeisance I much insist should be in
the law books and on the educational courses for medical doctors,
psychiatrists and psychologists a.s.a.p.
Indeed, I regard it as a somewhat important discovery about the -
personal and financial - motivations of many medical doctors (such as I
have seen over the past 32 years) and also about many psychologisch and
psychotherapists I known of and studied with or under (and I repeat I
am a psychologist myself), many of those I saw or know palpably very
much less smart and scientific than I am, to want to become or remain a
medical doctor or psychotherapist: It gives such enormously rewarding
and pleasant chances to indulge all manner of perversions and
fraudulence with a minimal chance of being found out!
Here then are some authentic quotations by one of the main MEdical
sadists (and I will answer in court, in Denmark, to anyone who wants to
persecute me for speaking the truth, and remind such people of my own
degrees and qualifications, and point them to my site for a dose more
of my prose) prof.dr. Simon Wessely, including references - and you
should realize that at ALL times at which this medical dr. Mengele
wrote his sick and perverse medicalese lies, the position of the World
Health Organization was what it still is: ME is a neurological disease
and it is NOT what a - to me - evident medical sadist like Wessely
tries to falsify it into since decades, to serve his own financial
interests and perversions, namely as if ME would be - for example - my
mentally disturbed attempt to defraud the authorities into paying me
minimal dole and giving me maximal bureaucratic discrimination for
decades, whereas I happen to have the best possible degree in the
supposed science of psychology, and live in Holland (the heaven of
hypocrites and cognitively challenged sports fans) only because I am
too ill to escape it.
2. Quotations + Responses
"We never hurt each other but by error or by malice."
(Sir Robert Chambers, possibly inspired by Dr. Johnson,
A Course of Lectures on the English Law, vol I)
(Quote 1) '" What lies behind all this talk of viruses and immunity
?... In consequence, talk of viruses and the immune system is now
deeply embedded in popular consciousness ... Viruses are an attribution
free from blame ... there's no blame, no shame and no stigma ... and
here is the virus research doctor himself to protect us from that
shame... And what is it he delivers? Respect!" Wessely, S. CFIDS
Chronicle, USA. 1994.
What lies behind all this denial of viruses and immunity? Plain sadism.
In consequence, talk of somatization, wimps, malingerers and frauds is
thanks to the efforts of psychiatric sadists now deeply embedded in
popular consciousness. There's no blame, no shame and no stigma, for
the sick bastards think they can say anything covered by their
psychiatric degrees. And here is the psychiatric witchdoctor himself to
protect himself and his brethren perverts ... And what is it he
delivers? Respect and income for psychiatric and psychotherapeutic
sadists in the name of science!
(Quote 2) "Viral attribution, reflects, somatization par excellence".
Wessely, S. CFIDS Chronicle, USA. 1994.
Denial of viral attribution reflects medical sadism and a perverse
attitude to medical ethics par excellence.
(Quote 3) ''Continuing attribution of all symptoms to a persistent
virus preserves self-esteem.'' Butler, S. Chalder, T, Ron M, Wessely S.
JMMP 1991:54:153-158. Cognitive behaviour therapy in chronic fatigue
'Continuing attribution of all symptoms to a persistent psychological
cause preserves incomes and the freedom to engage in sadistic
perversion dressed up as legitimate medicalese treatments.'
(Quote 4) ''Neurasthenia remains in the Mental and Behavioural
Disorders chapter under Other Neurotic Disorders.'' ''Neurasthenia
would readily suffice for ME.'' David, A. Wessely, S. (1993) Chronic
Fatigue, ME and the ICD-10. Lancet 1993:342:1247-1248.
Medical sadism or madness unfortunately so far has been kept out of the
Mental and Behavioural Disorders chapter under Other Neurotic
Disorders.' 'Medical sadism would readily suffice for the responses of
many doctors to patients with ME, and also plays a role in so-called
professional medical stances in many other the medical treatment of
many other diseases.' 'Indeed, it may seem in initially strange to
psychological laymen, but one obvious motive for the weaker types of
character to want to become a doctor or therapist is that they just
love having power over people who cannot defend themselves well or at
(Quote 5) ''Beard and Mitchell have returned to obscurity, but their
disease (Neurasthenia) is back with avengeance. My local bookshop has
just given ME the final seal of approval, it's own shelf. A little more
psychology and a little less T-Cell would be welcome.'' Wessely, S.
(1989). What your patients may be reading. BMJ 1989:298:1532-1533
Whatever enables medical sadism to engange in their sadism seems sound
science to these sick minds - even when they know it is based on their
own ignorance, perversions, personal interests, and dishonesty.
(Quote 6) ''The average doctor will see they are neurotic and he will
often be disgusted with them.'' Wessely, S. (1990). Chronic Fatigue and
Myalgia Syndromes. Psychological disorders in General Medical Settings.
Ed: N Sartorius at al Pub: Hogrefe & Huber.
Any person with half of a working brain and heart will see that Wessely
and his school are medical sadists and will be disgusted by these sick
medical travesties, who practice perversions in the guise of
psychiatric or medical science.
(Quote 7) “I will argue that ME is simply a belief, the belief that one
has an illness called ME.”, “I will argue that ME is simply a belief,
the belief that one has an illness called ME.”, “The Victorians lived
in an age of fatigue, we now live in the ME generation” "there is
another condition with which ME might easily be confused... it is
"there is another condition with which ME might easily be confused...
it is hysteria."
“people redefining themselves in terms of illness..and these views
matter – they affect outcome, look at these studies of prognosis..hence
our virus doctor exists not to hold out hope of cure - but to give
legitimacy to distress” (From Simon Wessely's talk entitled Microbes,
Mental Ilness, The Media and ME: The Construction of disease, at the
Eliot Slater Memorial Lecture)
I will argue that the idea that ME is psychosomatic is simply a belief,
the belief that there is no illness called ME. The Victorians lived in
an age before Fraud, we now live in the ME generation where canting
psychiatric perverts can make heaps of money in the name of Fraud by
the defamation, character assassination, and slander of literally
millions of genuinely ill people. There is another condition with which
ME-pooh-poohism might easily be confused... it is sadism, incidentally
the main professional danger for all psychiatrists and medical doctors,
since "All power corrutps, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
3. My own position
I have sketched my own position above, and whoever strongly disagrees
with it may go to court.
Also, it is my intention to attack the two Dutch ME-frauds, Bleijenberg
and Van der Meer, in Dutch also, because I find it a great shame such
sickos have been driving Dutch people to suicide while knowing they are
lying and misrepresenting, and at least Bleijenberg is a major dumbo
without the least decent grasp of real science, being a Dutch
psychologist - for the likes of which (and I am one of them, and almost
the only one to speak the truth about this type) readers of Dutch
should consult my Spiegeloog-columns (published in the faculty of
psychology of the university of Amsterdam in 1988-1989. This is the
The one with "yahoos" in the title is mostly English, and in imitation
of Jonathan Swift. Here is its link, since it explains fairly well for
what manner of prose I have been removed thrice from the University of
Amsterdam "in spite of your serious illness", as its - also, clearly -
sadistic Board of Directors wrote me in 1988:
Since my health on the moment is not good at all I don't know when I
will turn to this, but the above is what I do think and hope to do,
because I am sick of being told I am not sick by people who do so
because they are themselves sick sadists, who never should have studied
medicine or psychology, who never should have been allowed to practice
it, and who are evident intellectual and moral thousand-raters, besides
being not well in their heads.
For indeed, if it is a matter of scientific theorizing, my theory about
medical sadism, as an explanation for the medical maltreatment of
millions with ME over the last three decades, is a better supported
theory than the fraudulent "science" the medical psychiatric sadists
involved with ME have produced, for the existence of sadism in medical
people is a wholly uncontroversial fact, but the existence of
somatization disorders is at best a flimsy hypothesis thought up by a
group of people engaged in something that is hardly a real science, and
that controverts all solid scientific methodology of the real sciences.
4. Health warning
I have a long background of controversy in Holland, not about ME but
about the decline of education, civilization and science in Holland
over the last four decades, with the rise of postmodernism, and indeed
am medically diagnosed by medical specialists as having ME for over 32
years now. I also am nearly 60 and in possession of excellent degrees
in psychology and philosophy, and maintain a large site. If you are
younger and less well qualified academically than I am, and especially
if you have ME and live in England or Holland, it MAY be very wise on
your part, even if you agree with me, to be a little less outspoken in
public than I am, if only because you are or may be dealing with
psychologically sick people with FAR too much power and status due to
their medical or psychological degrees.
5. As to the topic of this thread
The topic is The-Psychiatric-view-of-ME-CFS-What-is-it. My answer (also
speaking as a psychologist): It is mostly baloney, like most psychiatry
and much psychology; it is not real science in any sense; and as it has
panned out for over thirty years now it is excellent empirical evidence
for the existence of MEdical sadism, especially in psychiatrists and
psychotherapists, but not only there.
P.S. for DrYes: I see the madmen have taken over your asylum! Take care
and don't let them drive you nuts (and check out Edgar Allan Poe on dr.
Tarr and professor Feather, and Ken Kesey's "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's
Nest", and anything by Goffman you can lay your hands on, and check out
Zimbardo on the Stanford Prison Experiment and "defining the
situation": Bitter if somewhat enlightening, I suppose, in the category
of "it's human-all-too-human" - that is, check this out if you can find
the opportunity and energy.)
I'll provide some links when I have found out how to do so in this
forum-editbox, that misses screen tips for its icons. (It must be
trivial to do, but I am tired. If _Kim_ is around she might send me a
link to where I can find it out - I am computer-savvy, but not with
icons without screentips - and I can tell her also - as if she would
care - that her avatar was reproduced almost as large as a full page
yesterday in the Dutch paper I read, and is by Egon Schiele, or so the
Well, explicit links for the moment
.... Wikipedia link
.... good recent interview with Zimbardo
http://www.prisonexp.org/ .... Zimbardo's site re the S_p_s
These are not about ME directly, but are about the effects of
"definining the situation", which is directly relevant to people with
ME. The last item is well done (like the others), and has many pictures
and good summaries.
P.S. And there is this reference as for the meaning of my terminology
And this piece is also on my site in the Nederlog series (mostly in
Dutch, some English)