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Jan 5, 2012               
      

GW: The times they are a'changin' - 1964/2012


-GW- 

Sections

1. The times
2. A note on torture

1. The times

Sign of the times: The old version is by Robert Zimmerman; the new one is by Maarten Maartensz. The lyrics of the old version are on line, and are reproduced here, as is my version, for educational purposes only.
 

The times they are a'changin' - 1964 The times they are a'changin' - 2012
Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam 
And admit that the waters
Around you has grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you
Is worth savin'       
Then you better start swimmin'  
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide  
The chance won't come again 
And don't speak too soon 
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'.
For the loser now 
Will be later to win

For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call 
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt 
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize   
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'. 
Please get out of the new one 
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast 
The slow one now 
Will later be fast  
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'.   
And the first one now   
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam 
And admit waterboarding
Around you has grown
And accept it that soon
You may be drowned by a wave
If your life to you
Seems worth saving
You must be protesting
Or you'll drown like a slave
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come bloggers and writers
Whoever you may be
Don't let them blight us
We must remain free
You can't speak too soon
Or you'll be drowned too
Since there's no tellin' who
Will be tellin' on you
When torture is normal
And may happen to you

For the times they are a-changin'.

Go senators, congressmen
You betrayed our land
You betrayed us for pay
We all understand
You want us repressed
Because we protest
There's a battle outside ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
Your sons and your daughters
In camps they will end
Waterboarded and tortured
On the highest command
Justice is dead
Injustice's ragin'
Forever detained in chains and in pain
Secret detention just is insane
For the times they are a-changin'.

The law has been passed
The curse has been cast
The camps will be filled
With folks to be killed
Just cause they thought
Not as they ought
Real justice is
Rapidly fadin'.   
No trial = no right:
Stand up and fight

For the times they are a-changin'.

Bob Dylan

Maarten Maartensz

2. A note on torture

This is a note to my "The audacity of nope" of August 11, 2011. It's unchanged, except for a link to my father's testimony on concentration-camps, which he survived, unlike his father, that also has the virtue of including The Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

I have meanwhile seen and read rather a lot of discussions about torture as a means to obtain information, but nearly all of it was rhetorical, phony or false.

The point that tends to be missed most, intentionally or not, is not about whether torture works, and also not about imaginary situations in which some kind of physical force may, conceivably, seem justified to many (here you have certain knowledge of a flying plane full of lovely toddlers; there you have a Hannibal Lecter in chains who is certainly known to have hidden a bomb in the plane a.s.o.) - the point is that if you institutionalize torture and concentration camps you have bidden goodbye to civilization, to civilized law, to human decency, and to publicly responsible and accountable military and bureaucrats, and indeed you then have definitely taken leave of a state, governors, state bureaucrats, police and military personnel fit to be trusted or to be considered your legal equals: A person who can lock you up without trial and with waterboarding is not your equal, not in law, not in morals, and not humanly speaking.

If you allow torture to be institutionalized, you have taken leave of civilized society and of civilized laws and institutions, and you have taken leave of state servants you possibly could trust or legally oppose without undue personal risk, and you will have allowed bureaucrats and politicians to become your absolute superiors in force and power, who can do anything they please with anyone within their power. You will have lost your freedom and your defence in law or morality, and you will have turned into a slave of the state, its politicians and their bureaucrats, police and military men. (See e.g. Montefiore's "Stalin - The Court of the Red Czar", for how this works out in practice, in the name of the highest moral ideals, also: Do never be so naive, stupid or ignorant as to believe that those out to enslave or abuse you will honestly own up to their degeneracy. The worst atrocities have been committed for the purportedly best of moral, political or religious reasons, by self-appointed saviours out for power or profit.)


 


P.S.
Corrections, if any are necessary, have to be made later. 
Today: People seem to like this. I've added section 2 in clarification,
and may change some in the versification, but probably not before
tomorrow. I did change made->passed, and added "=" pronounced "is".

And the standard constant link to this text is this, with today's date
in the title, preceded by "NL" (for Nederlog, of which this text is a small
part).

 

 

As to ME/CFS (that I prefer to call ME):
1.  Anthony Komaroff Ten discoveries about the biology of CFS (pdf)
2.  Malcolm Hooper THE MENTAL HEALTH MOVEMENT: 
PERSECUTION OF PATIENTS?
3.  Hillary Johnson The Why
4.  Consensus of M.D.s Canadian Consensus Government Report on ME (pdf)
5.  Eleanor Stein Clinical Guidelines for Psychiatrists (pdf)
6.  William Clifford The Ethics of Belief
7.  Paul Lutus

Is Psychology a Science?

8.  Malcolm Hooper Magical Medicine (pdf)
9.
 Maarten Maartensz
ME in Amsterdam - surviving in Amsterdam with ME (Dutch)
10.
 Maarten Maartensz Myalgic Encephalomyelitis

Short descriptions of the above:                

1. Ten reasons why ME/CFS is a real disease by a professor of medicine of Harvard.
2. Long essay by a professor emeritus of medical chemistry about maltreatment of ME.
3. Explanation of what's happening around ME by an investigative journalist.
4. Report to Canadian Government on ME, by many medical experts.
5. Advice to psychiatrist by a psychiatrist who understands ME is an organic disease
6. English mathematical genius on one's responsibilities in the matter of one's beliefs:

7. A space- and computer-scientist takes a look at psychology.
8. Malcolm Hooper puts things together status 2010.
9. I tell my story of surviving (so far) in Amsterdam/ with ME.
10. The directory on my site about ME.



See also: ME -Documentation and ME - Resources
The last has many files, all on my site to keep them accessible.
 


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