Oct 16, 2011
me+ME: More on the demise of XMRV
I only provide the links with some comments:
The first two are to Abbie Smith's blog: 22 september links to a Science Live Chat with doctors Busch and Levy, the first of the SRWG research reported below, the second an associate of dr. Peterson; 29 september links to Abbie's magic trick with the slides from the 2009 Science paper and the Ottawa talk by dr. Mikovits, which currently has 1087 comments; and the third is professor Racaniello's virology blog entitled "Trust science not scientists", with the following first two paragraphs
This then is brought out, supported and clarified by the following:
The first is on Phoenix Rising and also contains the links to the other three: The Research1st is html by Kim McCleary of the CAA and is a brief summary including a 10 point answer to various criticisms that have been made; the CFIDS.org gives the slides for the SRWG-results; and the Youtube link takes one through the slides with audio comments by Kim McCleary of the CAA and doctors Kleinman, Busch, and Simmons of the SRWG.
Unless one is "A True Believer In ME=XMRV" all of this is both quite convincing and conclusive, at least in a pragmatic and common sensical fashion, since it also remains true that one can escape all criticism and uphold any thesis if one is blind, ignorant or prejudiced enough - see the Quine-Ullian thesis, for which see
I quote from this, for your edification - and as it happens I owe and have read all sources given, and give a link to Hume + my extensive comments:
Three final remarks:
One. The slides are technical and a fairly large - 7.3 MB - download, and the Youtube audio takes nearly an hour, of which I could only hear the first 30 minutes on my computer, after which it stuck, but if one has spend rather a lot of time on XMRV over the past two years, one should - I think - take the trouble of trying to digest them. As I said, I consider the material practically conclusive: only fanatics or True Believers will object (and imply or at least suggest that lots of retrovirologists are stupid, ignorant or dishonest).
Two. Actually, the slides and the webinar are fine and quite impressive evidence of real science and real scientists at work, and in those respects quite impressive, as I said: The BWRG and SWRG groups have done a lot real scientific biomedical work over the past two years to unriddle the XMRV-riddle, and ought to be thanked for doing so, for this is how real science ought to work in the interest of public health.
Three. As far as XMRV-and-ME/CFS is concerned, here is Lee on PR-F, who is there valiantly trying to enlighten patients and who does so rationally and reasonably:
Quite so. And as I have remarked before, several times:
While I never got the evidence to make
me believe that XMRV is a cause or part of the cause of ME/CFS, I
am relieved it is not, because I have never liked the
idea of harbouring a retrovirus.
Added later in the day: I have insisted from the first - October 2009 - that I do not have the qualifications in virology and biochemistry to judge the XMRV-findings rationally, and also have said from the beginning that I lacked the health and the desire to read up on it.
There now is talk of retracting papers - e.g. the one in Science in 2009, and possibly others that found XMRV - so I read through today the one critical argument I wrote in March 2010:
Well... not being a particularly humble man myself I still believe my arguments are excellent and stand up very well without my having to retract one jot. And indeed, as I wrote then and there
And while it may now be granted, with some relief on my part, that there is no evidence that XMRV is related to ME/CFS, I still hold I am quite right about professor Wessely, about whom I wrote in that same month of March 2010:
Also still very well worth reading in the context of "Yes, there are mad or evil shrinks!"
P.S. Corrections, if any are necessary, have to be made later.
As to ME/CFS (that I prefer to call ME):
Short descriptions of the above:
1. Ten reasons why ME/CFS is a real disease by a professor of medicine of Harvard.
2. Long essay by a professor emeritus of medical chemistry about maltreatment of ME.
3. Explanation of what's happening around ME by an investigative journalist.
4. Report to Canadian Government on ME, by many medical experts.
5. Advice to psychiatrist by a psychiatrist who understands ME is an organic disease
6. English mathematical genius on one's responsibilities in the matter of one's beliefs:
7. A space-
and computer-scientist takes a look at psychology.
See also: ME -Documentation and ME - Resources
The last has many files, all on my site to keep them accessible.
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